There are lots of these "...oceptions", another,m related one is "proprioception" - your body's ability to sense movement and location of its parts [like knowing where your feet are even when your eyes are closed].
Stress changes interoception. People tend to grind their teeth when stressed. Proprioception is why we normally have space between our upper and lower jaws. If we didn’t have proprioception to guide us, we would grind our teeth to the gums or clench them loose.
I agree. But you can find several people on youtube telling that a firm close of the jaws is natural and help us breath better.. but of cause not grinding
The anatomy and physiology of our joints, muscles, bodily chemistry is NOT static in any way or anything, so to say we should have tooth to tooth closure is ridiculous. We have a disc in the jaw that cushions the bones and to have it closed all the time puts unnecessary wear and tear on it.
Got it! Great observation!! What I am suggesting is a few millimeters to keep the muscles in a state of relaxation. Learning to relax a specific set of muscles is beneficial because all muscles relate to each other. People who ride horses understand that initiating impulse from a horses’s legs comes from touching the belly of the horse with the ball of a spur on the end of a boot. Every muscle immediately connects in a coordinated fashion to move the horse from the top of his head to the bottom of his tail.
Wow, that explains how in super stressful situations people can have a death grip or whatever super strong action.
That connects with an idea I had about how meditation/psychedelics can help people experience their interoception at an extreme in order to face the parts that have been ignored... Reconnecting the mind to the body, which helps a lot with PTSD.
Not sure about psychedelics but mindfulness meditation has some positive research results on stress reduction. I believe the mind is a person’s first defense against diseases of all types. That is why PTSD is so devastating. Your mental resources are minimized or nonexistent with PTSD.
Yes. Feldenkrais method has helped me to almost eliminate my shoulder and upper back pain. I used to go to the chiropractor at least once a month for this, but these days I go every 3 months to keep my record active in their system, 😂 in case I need an adjustment quick in the future.
Here's a good channel on movements that helped me immensely.
Thanks for the reply. I have come to this, not knowing it as a word or concept as described, because my body was going full on diabetic. I hate needles so I began to experiment with food and learned about my body in that manner. Even now having good health without pills and injections, I can immediately sense something when eating another experiment, which are fewer as I work through it all. The mental part is interesting as well, I will have to practice with this.
My girlfriend goes through this with her issues. When she dropped her dosage of meds, she started to feel how certain foods were harming her. I feel like a lot of medicines mask the honest sensations that can help us to reconfigure our natural cravings.
Rob, it is my perception that pharmaceuticals are *designed* to remove us from our all of our senses. Combinations of them — especially painkillers and psychotropics — often lead the taker to be opened up to malevolent thought-forms (some would say "demons"). My husband and I saw this happen to his younger brother, who quite literally became violently insane after a few years of taking such drugs, eating a garbage diet, and watching death metal and rap videos. He died at the age of 56.
You can put it another way, that might help you to understad it in a different way.
1. A medication can only help if it mimics a natural system in the body.
2. two of the most commen system used is the cortisol/adrenaline way that speeds up the body and prepare it for fight and flight.
OR put you into freeze (slow you down, detach you from your body, make you disociate and make you numb)
3. things like canabis use the canabionide system (unfortunatly named after canabis) and it is mimickin going in the calm state... but artifistical things always have sideeffect.
Here's the rest of the clips which deal with other psychological exploits. Once we can admit that these things influence our bodies and consciousness, we can learn how to use them to our benefit, instead of being strung along by others.
I've thought for years that it's super weird that although the placebo effect is obviously well known, scientist usually aim to neutralise it in order to objectively test their drugs. That bit does make sense to me But what doesn't make sense to me is why there seem to be so few studies on how to harness it and use it for healing. I know there's probably not a lot of money in that, but I wonder if there are any universities funding such kind of research....
Probably not. All the work I have done is based on that. I used 3 years to study survivor stories, studies of what can give temporary relief, and videos of eg. the placebo effect. And one day I got the aha moment. The placebo effect is nothing but a body that gets out of instinct stress and back to the calm state where there are no symptoms
So much of what you write (everything, in fact) also works when looking at the social situation - notably the placebo and nocebo effect. My group hugely intensifies the placebo effect. The mainstream environment intensifies the nocebo effect - plus a FALSE sense of security build over a deeply entrenched nocebo belief system.
And I'd like to TALK with you and your therapist on how her knowledge might be helpful to those of us working largely on the social level - but also on the personal, in my case not on physical illness, but, among other things, on the inner rigidities even in the awake that hold so many of us back. Despair. Rigid thinking. Blocked action taking. Etc.
If I am allowed to record this talk, so I can use it here or somwhere else. Or what did you have in mind.
I am a little in doubt about what you want us to focus on. But I am preatty sure that we will end up with an interesting talk. If I should guess from your picture you are younger than me.
So what is Rigid thinking. Blocked action taking for a person in her 30-40s is becomming a physical illness 10-20 years from now. eg. Parkinsons is typically diagnosed in your 70ties :-)
Yes, great that we both record and post the recording, along with any writing about the interview. Then, I'd love to talk just to see what emerges, if there are insights for either or both of us.
What I'd like us to talk about? You, your approach. Me, my main concerns. Then how your approach may be very helpful for both the awake, dealing with ways many of the awake are rigid about some topics while often believing they are totally awake, and the obviously mind-controlled, where one comes across so many inner blocks, walls, false beliefs accepted as reality, etc.
I'd expect you to also have things you would like to talk about.
About posting it. I have a bit over 6,000 subscribers on Substack, and another 1500 or so off Substack. I'd be sending to them all. I would also make this the focus of one of my group meetings. About 6-12 people.
I'm still not good at live chat, due to fluctuating, upredictable state of symptoms, and I find zoom stressful. However, I'm sure Lilian will be interested as she is also very "awake". I'll make sure she sees this...
Great that you'll make sure Lilian sees this. And also great that you recognize situations that are not right for you - like live chat. Anyway, I'm glad that writing is a good space for you.
Great compilation to feature Lilian! Couple of things I'd like to share:
First, hospitals are an environment that create stress and suffering, and I think that they are also used broadly for experimentation. For example, many parents recently shared that their newborn was diagnosed with jaundice and placed in an isolation crib, wearing only a diaper. They are blindfolded and kept under bright, unnatural light for most hours of the day and night. Parents have little or no contact with the baby. This is nothing but a horrific trauma-based experiment. Babies need as much loving body contact as possible, mostly with the mother and father, but with other family members, friends, and caregivers.
Second, to your sentence:
"No witchcraft could have done a better job of creating a nocebo doom."
I believe that allopathic medicine practitioners ARE performing witchcraft. It's their Luciferian anti-life training.
To be a authentic version of yourself we must have the believe that all people are doing the best they can. But people might have a lot of heavy lugage to carry themself.
Being a herd animals is not one of our best personality traits. The lemming effect which you refer to. Following orders with no check in to own values is not a good trait. But one many has as we have seen the last years.
It is so true that taking on the "herd" mentality is not good. I do not believe this is an inherent trait, but a result of programming through media, the government indoctrination camps (schools), and other institutions that are filled with people at the top who wish only to remain in power-over-others rather than bring out the best in humanity — which is our creativity and our day-to-day use of our inner moral compass to guide our decisions but which also seems largely lost among humanity!
Well. If you do not have a herd connection in some way, you can end up dead as a child. It takes a long time before you can find food yourself.
So the evolutionary benefit of staing in the herd is huge.
But if you have a safe home you can somehow get the confidence and break free.
This guy explain it very well. He has a fb group. but you are not alowed to challenge anything in it. So even he is brilliant in this clip.. he has become cult. not always good
Thank you for our thoughts, Lilian. Seems like he gets it right. The hard part is that most people refuse to deal with ancestral trauma. Most people are like crabs in a pot of slowly boiling water. Some of us feel the heat and decide to get out, but the rest of the crabs try to drag us back down into the psycho-spiritual waters of suffering and death. So, if those crabs are my "herd" (which they were very much like that), I decided to get out, having learned enough to survive and even thrive on my own. I love my family dearly, but my leaving home to live my own life was very difficult for most of them to accept. I knew that if I had stayed, I would always be experienced as whatever *they* saw me as, not who I truly *am*.
Yes, I also see doctor's work as anti-life, anti-human too. Indeed they treat human bodies like machines that need to be "fixed". My own hospitalization a few years ago was totally traumatizing - it seem designed to make people worse - as you say, bright lights and loud beeping noises 24 hours a day, and they would wake you up several times a night to take observations. Seemed designed to make you sleep deprived. Little natural light and no fresh air. I was on a geriatric ward, and none of them ever went out better than they came in, and all ended up on more drugs and laxatives.
I was born premature, and Caesarian, and separated from mother - I'm certain that these adverse birth and babyhood experiences set me up for chronic illness in later life.
The sense called interoception, which help us feel what is going on inside us - interesting!
There are lots of these "...oceptions", another,m related one is "proprioception" - your body's ability to sense movement and location of its parts [like knowing where your feet are even when your eyes are closed].
Stress changes interoception. People tend to grind their teeth when stressed. Proprioception is why we normally have space between our upper and lower jaws. If we didn’t have proprioception to guide us, we would grind our teeth to the gums or clench them loose.
I agree. But you can find several people on youtube telling that a firm close of the jaws is natural and help us breath better.. but of cause not grinding
The anatomy and physiology of our joints, muscles, bodily chemistry is NOT static in any way or anything, so to say we should have tooth to tooth closure is ridiculous. We have a disc in the jaw that cushions the bones and to have it closed all the time puts unnecessary wear and tear on it.
This is about opening your mind to other explanations.
I think this guy make sense :-)
It you are tensing to much you need to open. If you are opening to much you need to close. It is to find the balance. He is absolutly not alone. :-)
https://youtu.be/mBqGS-vEIs0
Got it! Great observation!! What I am suggesting is a few millimeters to keep the muscles in a state of relaxation. Learning to relax a specific set of muscles is beneficial because all muscles relate to each other. People who ride horses understand that initiating impulse from a horses’s legs comes from touching the belly of the horse with the ball of a spur on the end of a boot. Every muscle immediately connects in a coordinated fashion to move the horse from the top of his head to the bottom of his tail.
Wow, that explains how in super stressful situations people can have a death grip or whatever super strong action.
That connects with an idea I had about how meditation/psychedelics can help people experience their interoception at an extreme in order to face the parts that have been ignored... Reconnecting the mind to the body, which helps a lot with PTSD.
Thanks for this!
Not sure about psychedelics but mindfulness meditation has some positive research results on stress reduction. I believe the mind is a person’s first defense against diseases of all types. That is why PTSD is so devastating. Your mental resources are minimized or nonexistent with PTSD.
Just find a good psykotherapist and loosen up the traumas and your ptsd will slowly loosen up
Yes. Feldenkrais method has helped me to almost eliminate my shoulder and upper back pain. I used to go to the chiropractor at least once a month for this, but these days I go every 3 months to keep my record active in their system, 😂 in case I need an adjustment quick in the future.
Here's a good channel on movements that helped me immensely.
https://youtube.com/@TaroIwamoto
I use it all the time to help people reduce symptoms :-)
Some people have easy access to this, othere need to learn it
Thanks for the reply. I have come to this, not knowing it as a word or concept as described, because my body was going full on diabetic. I hate needles so I began to experiment with food and learned about my body in that manner. Even now having good health without pills and injections, I can immediately sense something when eating another experiment, which are fewer as I work through it all. The mental part is interesting as well, I will have to practice with this.
My girlfriend goes through this with her issues. When she dropped her dosage of meds, she started to feel how certain foods were harming her. I feel like a lot of medicines mask the honest sensations that can help us to reconfigure our natural cravings.
Rob, it is my perception that pharmaceuticals are *designed* to remove us from our all of our senses. Combinations of them — especially painkillers and psychotropics — often lead the taker to be opened up to malevolent thought-forms (some would say "demons"). My husband and I saw this happen to his younger brother, who quite literally became violently insane after a few years of taking such drugs, eating a garbage diet, and watching death metal and rap videos. He died at the age of 56.
You can put it another way, that might help you to understad it in a different way.
1. A medication can only help if it mimics a natural system in the body.
2. two of the most commen system used is the cortisol/adrenaline way that speeds up the body and prepare it for fight and flight.
OR put you into freeze (slow you down, detach you from your body, make you disociate and make you numb)
3. things like canabis use the canabionide system (unfortunatly named after canabis) and it is mimickin going in the calm state... but artifistical things always have sideeffect.
Thanks, Lilian, for your more clinical explanations.
Great analysis and connection to the body's balance!
Here's a clip from a show called Legion which goes into the nocebo effect.
https://youtu.be/sC13_y36Tls
Here's the rest of the clips which deal with other psychological exploits. Once we can admit that these things influence our bodies and consciousness, we can learn how to use them to our benefit, instead of being strung along by others.
https://youtu.be/mZWgcKBkauE
appreciate your unfolding of this subject, and message of hope
I've thought for years that it's super weird that although the placebo effect is obviously well known, scientist usually aim to neutralise it in order to objectively test their drugs. That bit does make sense to me But what doesn't make sense to me is why there seem to be so few studies on how to harness it and use it for healing. I know there's probably not a lot of money in that, but I wonder if there are any universities funding such kind of research....
Probably not. All the work I have done is based on that. I used 3 years to study survivor stories, studies of what can give temporary relief, and videos of eg. the placebo effect. And one day I got the aha moment. The placebo effect is nothing but a body that gets out of instinct stress and back to the calm state where there are no symptoms
The only one I know who is doing a lot of research in this area is Dr Alia Crum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFR_wFN23ZY
Oh thank you! Will have a look.
So much of what you write (everything, in fact) also works when looking at the social situation - notably the placebo and nocebo effect. My group hugely intensifies the placebo effect. The mainstream environment intensifies the nocebo effect - plus a FALSE sense of security build over a deeply entrenched nocebo belief system.
Also, Yolanda has interesting article on these themes https://yolandapritamhari.substack.com/p/death-of-immunity-and-medicine-that
Yep, I'm intending to write about the social level implications of this in a follow up article, along these lines.
And I'd like to TALK with you and your therapist on how her knowledge might be helpful to those of us working largely on the social level - but also on the personal, in my case not on physical illness, but, among other things, on the inner rigidities even in the awake that hold so many of us back. Despair. Rigid thinking. Blocked action taking. Etc.
If I am allowed to record this talk, so I can use it here or somwhere else. Or what did you have in mind.
I am a little in doubt about what you want us to focus on. But I am preatty sure that we will end up with an interesting talk. If I should guess from your picture you are younger than me.
So what is Rigid thinking. Blocked action taking for a person in her 30-40s is becomming a physical illness 10-20 years from now. eg. Parkinsons is typically diagnosed in your 70ties :-)
Yes, great that we both record and post the recording, along with any writing about the interview. Then, I'd love to talk just to see what emerges, if there are insights for either or both of us.
What I'd like us to talk about? You, your approach. Me, my main concerns. Then how your approach may be very helpful for both the awake, dealing with ways many of the awake are rigid about some topics while often believing they are totally awake, and the obviously mind-controlled, where one comes across so many inner blocks, walls, false beliefs accepted as reality, etc.
I'd expect you to also have things you would like to talk about.
About posting it. I have a bit over 6,000 subscribers on Substack, and another 1500 or so off Substack. I'd be sending to them all. I would also make this the focus of one of my group meetings. About 6-12 people.
Send me some suggestion for when we can have a meeting. If you are in us it will be your mornings
Hi Lilian, it can be just about any time in the morning starting next Wednesday. You can email me at: elsa@fullflourishing.com
I'm still not good at live chat, due to fluctuating, upredictable state of symptoms, and I find zoom stressful. However, I'm sure Lilian will be interested as she is also very "awake". I'll make sure she sees this...
Great that you'll make sure Lilian sees this. And also great that you recognize situations that are not right for you - like live chat. Anyway, I'm glad that writing is a good space for you.
Great compilation to feature Lilian! Couple of things I'd like to share:
First, hospitals are an environment that create stress and suffering, and I think that they are also used broadly for experimentation. For example, many parents recently shared that their newborn was diagnosed with jaundice and placed in an isolation crib, wearing only a diaper. They are blindfolded and kept under bright, unnatural light for most hours of the day and night. Parents have little or no contact with the baby. This is nothing but a horrific trauma-based experiment. Babies need as much loving body contact as possible, mostly with the mother and father, but with other family members, friends, and caregivers.
Second, to your sentence:
"No witchcraft could have done a better job of creating a nocebo doom."
I believe that allopathic medicine practitioners ARE performing witchcraft. It's their Luciferian anti-life training.
To be a authentic version of yourself we must have the believe that all people are doing the best they can. But people might have a lot of heavy lugage to carry themself.
Being a herd animals is not one of our best personality traits. The lemming effect which you refer to. Following orders with no check in to own values is not a good trait. But one many has as we have seen the last years.
I appreciate your perspectives, Lilian!
It is so true that taking on the "herd" mentality is not good. I do not believe this is an inherent trait, but a result of programming through media, the government indoctrination camps (schools), and other institutions that are filled with people at the top who wish only to remain in power-over-others rather than bring out the best in humanity — which is our creativity and our day-to-day use of our inner moral compass to guide our decisions but which also seems largely lost among humanity!
Well. If you do not have a herd connection in some way, you can end up dead as a child. It takes a long time before you can find food yourself.
So the evolutionary benefit of staing in the herd is huge.
But if you have a safe home you can somehow get the confidence and break free.
This guy explain it very well. He has a fb group. but you are not alowed to challenge anything in it. So even he is brilliant in this clip.. he has become cult. not always good
https://youtu.be/xhFw5L2Q7lk
Thank you for our thoughts, Lilian. Seems like he gets it right. The hard part is that most people refuse to deal with ancestral trauma. Most people are like crabs in a pot of slowly boiling water. Some of us feel the heat and decide to get out, but the rest of the crabs try to drag us back down into the psycho-spiritual waters of suffering and death. So, if those crabs are my "herd" (which they were very much like that), I decided to get out, having learned enough to survive and even thrive on my own. I love my family dearly, but my leaving home to live my own life was very difficult for most of them to accept. I knew that if I had stayed, I would always be experienced as whatever *they* saw me as, not who I truly *am*.
Yes, I also see doctor's work as anti-life, anti-human too. Indeed they treat human bodies like machines that need to be "fixed". My own hospitalization a few years ago was totally traumatizing - it seem designed to make people worse - as you say, bright lights and loud beeping noises 24 hours a day, and they would wake you up several times a night to take observations. Seemed designed to make you sleep deprived. Little natural light and no fresh air. I was on a geriatric ward, and none of them ever went out better than they came in, and all ended up on more drugs and laxatives.
I was born premature, and Caesarian, and separated from mother - I'm certain that these adverse birth and babyhood experiences set me up for chronic illness in later life.