Dec 9, 2022·edited Dec 9, 2022Liked by Gary Sharpe
I read an interesting thing in Joaquin Farias' Limitless book. He mentioned that the pre-frontal cortex is still evolving. So it's basic function, that of inhibiting the activity of older brain circuitry, is still adapting to the relative group size we perceive ourselves as belonging to. Given that this is expanding considerably, as tech enables us to consider ourselves global citizens, I think extensive recalibration is to be reckoned on. As I think you mention, learned strategies like fawning are a mix of older, nervous system responses which then can engage longer term strategies developed by the frontal lobes.
Dec 12, 2022·edited Dec 12, 2022Liked by Gary Sharpe
Great insights. Think this should be added to the mental health terninology especially when focusing on group dynanics as a linking piece to neuroception and all the linking pieces to expression of fear up to Stockholm syndrome. It is odd but I have worked with ths latter syndrome, i kept thinking of John McCain and never seemed to understand why he came to mind so often. This will need to sit with me but appreciate the depth in your perceptions.
Great article! I can attest to that being true with my history of trauma. The book by Gabor Maté is an invaluable source. Thank you for your valuable work!
Fawning is otherwise named "trauma bonding" or "attachment" in the SRA-mind control literature. It is a known and much exploited factor by the trauma-based mind control using cults, probably the worst kind of "Stockholm syndrome" there can be.
These poor children get bonded to their abusers and will protect them and be loyal to them... at least until an opportunity to tear down the illusion occurs.
Whoa ... this post was particularly engaging. I would have been socially naive even in my home culture, but the moment I hit the shores of Japan some 40 years ago, the probability of successfully navigating life rapidly dropped for my incapacity to be attuned to the Japanese equivalence of the above. It has been about 10 years now since resigning in protest from a tenured position in a Japanese college, and I had no idea of the social consequences of giving up an official position, regardless of how much of a token-foreigner charade it was. Alas, hindsight is 20-20.
Although I tried to use it as a filter through which I could interact with work-colleagues, Doi's insights appear to apply mostly to in-group members. Though foreigners might be able to integrate with empathy-driven communities in Japan, it is nearly impossible for an non-ethnic Japanese to integrate with rule-driven institutions ... and yet, few would call Japan a "racist" country.
I am flagging this post for several repeated readings. Thanks again Gary.
This is the best presentation of fawn and appeasement I've come across. I have heard of them, in addition to fight flight freeze. But not so thoroughly put together. Still thinking about all the socioceptions! Most, all this stuff !!! these not-fully-us parts of ourselves.
Your views on fawn and appeasement have been put together in a consider way. I agree with your coining of the new term socioception and will share this with my colleagues in the CAMHS service I work in.
I love this information, Gary! I was particularly drawn to your new word, "socioception," and to this statement:
"As the reliant person masks their own physiological state, emotions and feelings, this is not a true socially engaged state of both people being relaxed and feeling connected, and since it is still a form of stress response, it does not convey the benefits to health, restoration or growth that true social engagement and connectedness does."
That is exactly what's been going on with the scamdemic and beyond. Those people who give their power over to "experts," "authorities," and "officials" literally *mask* their psychological state and tend to look at free-breathers / free-speakers as the ones with the problem. Of course, this does not make for a healthy social situation, as they are disconnecting from truly open discourse. Then, folks like myself who refute germ theory altogether often have to *feign* in order to maintain important relationships, like clients, family members, and others.
And that's really the most maddening and saddening thing about it: That the people in fear are somewhat in control of both individual relationships, small groups, and society at large! I have done my best to speak my mind but must assess if/when it is appropriate in doing risk analysis. Thankfully, my husband and I are on the same page with all this.
I've read and re read Peter Walkers book on CPTSD and certainly recognise the fawning behaviours as a survival strategy when folk are faced with fear of another more powerful figure. It is akin to servitude, to become useful and therefore be "spared". I think it comes about more from a result of a chronic fear activation state, that you get from hypervigilence. Indicative if being "trapped" with a perpetrator of abuse OR an abusive organisation/situation (could be school, or work environment etc) It doesn't seem to happen so much from a standard "trigger" response - standard amygdala response to threat. The fawn response is definitely linked to the nervous system, it's less apparent in a truly relaxed state. Obviously these are just my thoughts on the matter.
Yes. Yes. Yes. Am a mental health professional with special interest in trauma and polyvagal theory. I cannot begin to say how "masking" traumatised me. I knew what was being done. It was so obvious. People in masks make me nauseous, literally. But children! Angered me beyond words. To see parents in masks with their children, masked or unmasked, unable to communicate was absolute torture knowing what I know. One of the worst things I saw on Linkdin I think was from a Polyvagal group I followed with a photo of a group of completely masked children and adults. Sorry for lengthy reply...just so pleased to see all my thoughts articulated. Masks were and are pure evil
I remember this piece. Yes, very important. People fawning on, appeasing those they fear - often (in my experience) utterly unaware of their fear, even their abject terror. They go "crazy" - no logic, etc.
I read an interesting thing in Joaquin Farias' Limitless book. He mentioned that the pre-frontal cortex is still evolving. So it's basic function, that of inhibiting the activity of older brain circuitry, is still adapting to the relative group size we perceive ourselves as belonging to. Given that this is expanding considerably, as tech enables us to consider ourselves global citizens, I think extensive recalibration is to be reckoned on. As I think you mention, learned strategies like fawning are a mix of older, nervous system responses which then can engage longer term strategies developed by the frontal lobes.
Great insights. Think this should be added to the mental health terninology especially when focusing on group dynanics as a linking piece to neuroception and all the linking pieces to expression of fear up to Stockholm syndrome. It is odd but I have worked with ths latter syndrome, i kept thinking of John McCain and never seemed to understand why he came to mind so often. This will need to sit with me but appreciate the depth in your perceptions.
Great article! I can attest to that being true with my history of trauma. The book by Gabor Maté is an invaluable source. Thank you for your valuable work!
Fawning is otherwise named "trauma bonding" or "attachment" in the SRA-mind control literature. It is a known and much exploited factor by the trauma-based mind control using cults, probably the worst kind of "Stockholm syndrome" there can be.
These poor children get bonded to their abusers and will protect them and be loyal to them... at least until an opportunity to tear down the illusion occurs.
Whoa ... this post was particularly engaging. I would have been socially naive even in my home culture, but the moment I hit the shores of Japan some 40 years ago, the probability of successfully navigating life rapidly dropped for my incapacity to be attuned to the Japanese equivalence of the above. It has been about 10 years now since resigning in protest from a tenured position in a Japanese college, and I had no idea of the social consequences of giving up an official position, regardless of how much of a token-foreigner charade it was. Alas, hindsight is 20-20.
You might have heard of one of the books that attracted my attention for awhile ... Doi, Takeo's "The Anatomy of Dependence". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anatomy_of_Dependence
Although I tried to use it as a filter through which I could interact with work-colleagues, Doi's insights appear to apply mostly to in-group members. Though foreigners might be able to integrate with empathy-driven communities in Japan, it is nearly impossible for an non-ethnic Japanese to integrate with rule-driven institutions ... and yet, few would call Japan a "racist" country.
I am flagging this post for several repeated readings. Thanks again Gary.
And happy holidays to you.
steve
Thanks for casting light on the concept of co-dependency.
This is the best presentation of fawn and appeasement I've come across. I have heard of them, in addition to fight flight freeze. But not so thoroughly put together. Still thinking about all the socioceptions! Most, all this stuff !!! these not-fully-us parts of ourselves.
Excellent reread and reminders. Thanks for reposting. Speaking for myself, timely significance..
Your views on fawn and appeasement have been put together in a consider way. I agree with your coining of the new term socioception and will share this with my colleagues in the CAMHS service I work in.
I love this information, Gary! I was particularly drawn to your new word, "socioception," and to this statement:
"As the reliant person masks their own physiological state, emotions and feelings, this is not a true socially engaged state of both people being relaxed and feeling connected, and since it is still a form of stress response, it does not convey the benefits to health, restoration or growth that true social engagement and connectedness does."
That is exactly what's been going on with the scamdemic and beyond. Those people who give their power over to "experts," "authorities," and "officials" literally *mask* their psychological state and tend to look at free-breathers / free-speakers as the ones with the problem. Of course, this does not make for a healthy social situation, as they are disconnecting from truly open discourse. Then, folks like myself who refute germ theory altogether often have to *feign* in order to maintain important relationships, like clients, family members, and others.
And that's really the most maddening and saddening thing about it: That the people in fear are somewhat in control of both individual relationships, small groups, and society at large! I have done my best to speak my mind but must assess if/when it is appropriate in doing risk analysis. Thankfully, my husband and I are on the same page with all this.
I've read and re read Peter Walkers book on CPTSD and certainly recognise the fawning behaviours as a survival strategy when folk are faced with fear of another more powerful figure. It is akin to servitude, to become useful and therefore be "spared". I think it comes about more from a result of a chronic fear activation state, that you get from hypervigilence. Indicative if being "trapped" with a perpetrator of abuse OR an abusive organisation/situation (could be school, or work environment etc) It doesn't seem to happen so much from a standard "trigger" response - standard amygdala response to threat. The fawn response is definitely linked to the nervous system, it's less apparent in a truly relaxed state. Obviously these are just my thoughts on the matter.
Yes. Yes. Yes. Am a mental health professional with special interest in trauma and polyvagal theory. I cannot begin to say how "masking" traumatised me. I knew what was being done. It was so obvious. People in masks make me nauseous, literally. But children! Angered me beyond words. To see parents in masks with their children, masked or unmasked, unable to communicate was absolute torture knowing what I know. One of the worst things I saw on Linkdin I think was from a Polyvagal group I followed with a photo of a group of completely masked children and adults. Sorry for lengthy reply...just so pleased to see all my thoughts articulated. Masks were and are pure evil
I remember this piece. Yes, very important. People fawning on, appeasing those they fear - often (in my experience) utterly unaware of their fear, even their abject terror. They go "crazy" - no logic, etc.
this relates to all of us, and i love the term socioception. Brilliant!
Socioception explains why people trusted authorities. They spoke in a psychopathic calm voice about the lockdowns, treatments, and vaccines.
The false sense of calmness that sociopaths and psychopaths exude is very effective to make a damaged person trust them.
Here's a quote I saved about how this mechanism also keeps people from acknowledging that they were fooled... Survival mechanism
https://robc137.substack.com/p/the-psychology-of-the-big-lie
this relates to all of us, and i love the term socioception. Brilliant!